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PostSubject: Stigmata real or not?   17/11/2010, 9:29 am

Now i have always been fasinated with this.
Is it power of the mind or is it really some biblical miracle?
In Stigmata the Movie they chose to go along the lines of Biblical Miracle.
With Patricia Arquettes character Frankie ( which i love that grungy character she played)
She was a total athiest , and started to develop signs of Stigmata.. You know the Movie..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata_(film)

http://www.flixster.com/movie/stigmata

Stigmata has been recorded throughout time..
with the very first recorded case was of Lucia Brocadelli of Narni (1476–1544) was an Italian Roman Catholic mystic,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_Brocadelli_of_Narni

Here is the wikipedia website about other cases if you are interested..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata

Hers a couple of interesting reads from both sides

The Catholic ideas and perceptions of Stigmata

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm

and a Sceptics point of view.

http://www.skepdic.com/stigmata.html


What do you think on it?







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PostSubject: Re: Stigmata real or not?   17/11/2010, 6:39 pm

coming from a catholic/lutheran background, I thought the stigmata as
something that happens only to the most pure in faith...that movie and tv
shows got me to thinking otherwise...
i'm amazed at this phenomenon...right up there with crying statuary...
don't know where it comes from, extreme faith, some kind of psychosomatic
thing, or demonic deception, or if it's a hoax people have been perpetuating thru the ages...
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PostSubject: Re: Stigmata real or not?   17/11/2010, 11:14 pm

I can see how some people can make themselves sick, just by continuous negative thought.

Dont know how they could by htought create bleeding from hands and feet.
IN the skeptics link they have followed stigmata through the ages and found out all the hoaxes.
Which is how i thought of it, a Hoax.
But then i knew that at times these things can manifest themselves as a miracle..without the aid of a hoax.
Like with Continuous psychotic obsessive thought about it. The power of suggestion is huge.

For me I cant believe in the bible and follow its stories in blind faith.. as God himself didnt write it, Man did, a Man who wanted order and control over the masses.
I dont disbelieve that crucifixiction happened, its is recorded fact.
Now i do blieve in reincarnation. It also is recorded fact.. Mind you science world still argueing with the findings. so not registered as fact. it would blow too many things out of the water if it was ..
Anyway..
If these instances were maybe past life memories?
LIke those who experience the Stigmata symtoms.. could they maybe just experiencing a past life abberration..

LIke some do when they are frightened of water, heights etc and yet in this life time have no reason to be.

i AM JUST THROWING ANOTHER SPIN ON THIS OOps shouting there!! Smile
By all means i dont believe 100% in the theory i put accross, I put it accross as a possibility.

what if we got away from the biblical reasoning behind Stigmate how else can it be viewed, other than nut jobs looking for their 15 minutes of fame.. which i think many were.




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PostSubject: Re: Stigmata real or not?   18/11/2010, 12:07 am

but can others witness a past life memory if it was a stigmata? scratch

i know by experience about past life memories, fears-wise...
like my fear of being out in a boat...a fear i share inexplictably with my biological Dad...neither of us has been out on a boat, but we both swam like fish...
(or like my fear of public speaking Embarassed )
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PostSubject: Re: Stigmata real or not?   18/11/2010, 9:36 am

rockersgurl wrote:
but can others witness a past life memory if it was a stigmata? scratch


LOL! No I mean , Just say someone was crucified in a past life, just as Jesus of Nazareth was suppose to have been, with nails. coz apparently it was common practice (crucifiction) Dont know about the nails thing though..
I have heard on,ly Jesus was strung up and nailed in, And the rest were only tied in..
But i find that hard to believe tying someone in is easy escape. Maybe they did i dont know, But i find it hard to believe since back then they were quite barbaric with their punishments, with disemboweling, quartering, hanging upside down, and all those torture devices, just to name a few.
I dont know whether they ( torture devices were alter on , You know the stretching machine etc..) were later or not.. havent researched on it.

Anyway i am getting off track here..
Just say in a past life you were crucified. and then in this one or another , the same life lessons are being worked on., Would a PL memory kick in and maybe the body respond to that , being such an emotional and traumatic event..
creating Like a replay of a PL you actually did experience.


COz what is Stigmata ?
If its not a hoax, and its not PL memory replay, and its not psychosis, then HOw on this planet does it occur.
they say only those pure , Pure of what?
then why would they experience it?what makes it happen? why does it happen? is there a purpose to it?
Even those deeply religious and totally believe in it.. why would it happen to them ,Is it a religious thing like its a good thing or what?
Is it a bad thing? Like it was for Arquettes character..


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PostSubject: Re: Stigmata real or not?   18/11/2010, 7:50 pm

didn't even think about that...Romans invented that punishment/torture...
you could have been one of their victims in a past life...

but...for it to actually manifest so others can see and touch your blood
and wounds...may very well be a vehicle to get more
to the faith...like self-flagellation and volunteering to get 'crucified'
for your faith...think these were some of the thorns in Martin Luther's side,
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PostSubject: Re: Stigmata real or not?   19/11/2010, 4:53 am

That self flagellation, what a stupid thing to do!!
I guess you could be onto something, Like the self inflicted torture.. Maybe Also is Stigmata.
To get closer to their God.
Coz i am not convinced the cases that they state, are actual Manifestations out of nowhere.

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