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PostSubject: Eddic Poetry about Runes.   26/10/2011, 1:30 pm

I have been updating my website. and decided to add the runes.. and with that i added my favourite Eddic Poem.. Odins rune Song.
anyway.. I started to wonder what Runes the poem was referring to..
Now i am defiantely not an expert in Norse Mythology by all means..
so i know i am not going to please everyone with my findings..

And i really dont want to dig way too deep into the history either. coz that means buying more books i have no room for, and reading them which i have no time to do..
So my research is purely online.
So far i have foudn quite a few good sites, I am happy with..
and have matched quite a few Runes to the poem..
What i have done..without getting too techinical, is asigned each verse , a one word key word of what I understand the verse to be about, then I assigned the appropriate Rune.. I am led to believe the Younger Futhark is what the poem is about.. I dont see it completley..as some runes definataley dont match anywhere.. or some runes match in more than one spot..

Tomorrow i will have some more time to post up what i got.. I will also be posting these up in my website..
SO i will have Younger and Elder futharks and their meanings.. a page dedicated to all the odd Runes found and not officially belonging to any Runic set.. and also the Tree ogam, and finally when i get butt into gear and finish off the Bird Ogam.

If anyone wants to give any input to this please feel free.. I am open to suggestions.
and any recommended websites too on Norse Mythology..
I am about to google local library website. and see if they have anything i can borrow though.

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PostSubject: Re: Eddic Poetry about Runes.   26/10/2011, 1:33 pm

Here s the best site so far i have found on the Rune Poem

http://meadhall.homestead.com/OdinsRunePoem.html

Here is Odins Rune Poem..



The songs I know that king's wives know not,

Nor men that are sons of men;

The first is called helf, and help it can bring thee

In sorrow and pain and sickness.



A second I know, that men shall need

Who leechcraft long to use;

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . .



A thrd I know, if great is my need

Of fetters to hold my foe;

Blunt do I make mine enemy's blade,

Nor bites his sword or staff.



A fourth I know, if men shall fasten

Bonds on my bended legs;

So great is the charm that forth I may go,

The fetters spring from my feet,

Broken the bonds from my hands.



A fifth I know, if I see from afar

An arrow fly 'gainst the folk;

If flies not so swift that I stop it not,

If ever my eye behold it.



A sixth I know, if harm one seeks

With a sapling's roots to send me;

The hero himself wo wreaks his hate

Shall taste the ill ere I.
A seventh I know, if I see in flames

The hall o'er my comrades' heads;

It burns not so wide that I will not quench it,

I know that song to sing.



An eighth I know, that is to all

Of greatest good to learn;

When hatred grows among heroes' sons,

I soon can set it right.



A ninth I know, if need there comes

To shelter my ship on the flood;

The wind I calm upon the waves,

And the sea I put to sleep.



A tenth I know, what time I see

House-riders flying on high;

So can I work that wildly they go,

Showing their true shapes,

Hence to their own homes.



An eleventh I know, if needs I must lead

To the fight my long-loved friends;

I sing in the shields, and in strength they go

Whole to the field of fight,

Whole from the field of fight,

And whole they come thence home.



A twelfth I know, if high in a tree

I see a hanged man swing;

So do I write and color the runes

That forth he fares,

And to me talks.
A thirteenth I know, if a thane full young

With water I sprinkle well;

He shall not fall, though he fares mid the host,

Nor sink beneath the swords.



A fourteenth I know, if fain I would name

To men the mighty gods;

All know I well of the gods and elves,--

Few be the fools know this.



A fifteenth I know, that before the doors

Of Delling sang Thjorthrorir the dwarf;

Might he sang for the gods, and glory for elves,

And wisdom for Hroptatyr wise.



A sixteenth I know, if I seek delight

To win from a maiden wise;

The mind I turn of the white-armed maid,

And thus change all her thoughts.



A seventeenth I know, so that seldom shall go

A maiden young from me;

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . .
Long these songs thou shalt, Loddfafnir,

Seek in vain to sing;

Yet good it were if thou mightest get them,

Well, if thou wouldst them learn,

Help, if thou hadst them.



An eighteenth I know, that ne'er will I tell

To maiden or wife of man,--

The best is what none but one's self doth know,

So comes then end of the songs,--

Save only to her in whose arms I lie,

Or who else my sister is.






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PostSubject: Re: Eddic Poetry about Runes.   26/10/2011, 3:32 pm

here is one that is pretty basic really--but seems good.

http://www.norse-mythology.com
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PostSubject: Re: Eddic Poetry about Runes.   1/11/2011, 6:28 am

Thanks CN..
I probably wont be able to match most Runes with this Poem as most seem to be Bind Runes..
But 3rd Verse is definately Thor, Or thundr.. Thor Hammer.. we all know the legend of Thor and his hammer.. what other battle instrument had magic power to blunt their opponents sword..

I also do think verse eleven is the God Tyr..the only God left in the Younger Futhark. Other than Odin himself but even his original rune was changed.


Apparently according to John Lindow and Norse Mythology Scholar with numerous books up his sleeve.. He says once you know Norse Mythology , to match the Runes in the verse are easy..and stands out..
Now i am most defiantely not an expert LOL!! I have oodles of books though.. ANd probably wont absorb it all..
I am starting to figure out..


If a Rune went with each Verse < What one it would be?

I am enjoying researching this poem..

None of us will ever know if we are correct.. because even books that are out, they are just another persons findings.. and with so many differing opinions..it is hard to know which one is right!! SO i am LOL!!
Joking!!

A lot of History pre christian was passed on through word of mouth..and song.
Like chinese whispers they can get a little out of whack.. so i am not putting too much weight into the Poem and whether it matches any Runes that we know of today.. because even those are not the same as when they were first in use , way back in time. But i am having fun trying to bring this poem into the 21st century!! If thats possible!!


I picked up another half a dozen books today from library.. Lets see if i can find a bit more llight on this Razz
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You are more than welcome to join me if you like..!! Any opinion or finding is more than welcome..



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